I'm not sure if this one has been covered before here but I think it would be really nice to hear what has helped all of us through times of anxiety, or even cured us of it. I keep thinking about writing a book, blog, or making short videos about all the things I have done to help myself understand and reduce anxiety and it's brutal effects on my life. But I am curious what works for others.
For me it has been some of the things I have mentioned many a time here but here is a little simple list in close to relative order of importance...
1. Regular intense but fun exercise, for me this is practicing Mixed Martial Arts ( I have learned that I am naturally full of energy and a bit of a nervous creature so this one helps quite a bit, plus I find a good session at the gym is akin to the best meditation you can have).
2. Mental training, just like physical training I have found that I have to keep my head clear and root out negative thinking quickly or it will get the best of me. This can be many things like... Getting in touch with feelings I had buried, such as forgiving old trespasses from others or letting go of self hate for mistakes I have made along the way. Also addressing some need I have to have some spirituality in my life, not religion per say but some sort of faith in the universe, faith in things such as that when I die I won't be stuck in some bad acid trip forever. Not letting myself start thinking about all of the bad things that can happen to me all the time is a big one, like worrying about brain tumors or death all the time etc.
3. Diet. I have found that the food I eat and the supplements I take can really effect my overall feelings. Sometimes I can use my mind to overcome this but overall if I eat crap or don't take the right supplements to make up for holes in my diet I start to degrade physically which then attacks me mentally. So now I usually eat regular (3-5 times a day) balanced meals and take a multivitamin along with some omega 3.
There are many other things but really I think those are the 3 big ones. What helps you?
For me it has been some of the things I have mentioned many a time here but here is a little simple list in close to relative order of importance...
1. Regular intense but fun exercise, for me this is practicing Mixed Martial Arts ( I have learned that I am naturally full of energy and a bit of a nervous creature so this one helps quite a bit, plus I find a good session at the gym is akin to the best meditation you can have).
2. Mental training, just like physical training I have found that I have to keep my head clear and root out negative thinking quickly or it will get the best of me. This can be many things like... Getting in touch with feelings I had buried, such as forgiving old trespasses from others or letting go of self hate for mistakes I have made along the way. Also addressing some need I have to have some spirituality in my life, not religion per say but some sort of faith in the universe, faith in things such as that when I die I won't be stuck in some bad acid trip forever. Not letting myself start thinking about all of the bad things that can happen to me all the time is a big one, like worrying about brain tumors or death all the time etc.
3. Diet. I have found that the food I eat and the supplements I take can really effect my overall feelings. Sometimes I can use my mind to overcome this but overall if I eat crap or don't take the right supplements to make up for holes in my diet I start to degrade physically which then attacks me mentally. So now I usually eat regular (3-5 times a day) balanced meals and take a multivitamin along with some omega 3.
There are many other things but really I think those are the 3 big ones. What helps you?
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Wed, December 26, 2007 - 7:01 AMlots of exersise, less soda less sugar, stoped alowing my self to rely on sigarets as an exuse to go outside when i have a panic atack now i just say oh i'm having a bit of a panick atack is al i'll be back in a few.
witch takes away that added eliment of anxiety from trying to hide whats going on and improves my health.
riding a bike a lot, it gets you out in the world without actualy having to conect with peaple so you can build fconfidence, plus the wor;ld just seems smaller and more maniguble when you're used to riding throo it at 350 guy on a mountain bike speeds. -
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 12:31 PMWow! Star--why is it that so few of us think of simply stating the honest truth?! Your thing of simply saying, "I'm having a bit of a panic attack right now; I'll be back in a few"--well, I think that that's pure genius. As you say, it keeps you from having to "fake it" when you're struggling. It also would reduce that sense of silent shame, that we bear some personal stigma because of our anxieties. It also helps others to understand where you are, as well as "de-mystifying" anxiety for those present. -
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 12:41 PMagreed. I tried to be pretty up front with mine when I had them, only problem was some people don't believe you because as you all know you can look totally normal on the outside but really be freaking out on the inside. I wish people that didn't have anxiety understood better, but by letting them know when we feel like this it does educate them I think. -
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 1:11 PMOOOOH, yeah. The "seeming normal" thing. My family doc (one of my heroes and an all around mensch) says I put so much energy into seeming fine that it's no wonder I'm always so exhausted. For me, I think it's just a knee-jerk thing. I was NEVER allowed to "feel sorry for myself" as a child, so I learned to bury everything deep inside and try to appear fine on the outside. I also think that it might be a bit of a defence mechaism. If I seem as if something is bothering me, then people, well-meaning people, want to ask me what's wrong and can be quite persistent, thinking that if I just talk about it, it will help. Of course, I know that, instead, I'd probably fall apart and go into major panic-attack mode. It does help, though, that I can quote my doctor, and hope that some people will accept that.
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 12:37 PMbenzodiazepines
yoga
no caffeine
avoid asshole selfish people (good luck )
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 1:32 PMDiet: I take vitamins and supplements. I highly recommend magnesium. I've cut way back on refined wheat [including pasta] and refined sugar, and I try to eat more fish. Surprisingly, no caffeine doesn't work for me. Just drinking very moderate amounts though is fine.
Exercise : I am a student of yoga and bellydance. I take both twice a week each. :]
Mental training: I've read a lot of self-help books and have learned a lot about Nonviolent Communication. For those times when I can't avoid assholes, NVC helps me to communicate in a high and clear way that doesn't allow others to easily insult or victimize. It doesn't always work but it does help. I also go to silent vipassana meditation on sundays. I am working on increasing that practice at home too.
A bit of a tangent: I think for many African American women, there is the added stress that comes with the stereotypes. Within my family, anxiety isn't something that is admitted without "admitting" weakness of strength and faith. Blacks are generally underdiagnosed in part because seeking help is considered a bit of a letdown in a community that prides itself on survival. Keeping anxiety secret is an added stressor but speaking of it within certain cultural boundaries can be an even greater stress. For that reason, I don't speak of it.
Back on topic: I still haven't conquered nail biting but I think I will begin scheduling manicures. That might help. Any other nail biters out there?
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 1:35 PMHow could I forget to add that this tribe helps me too :]
Thank you!
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 2:38 PMgood things there, I need to do yoga and more meditation myself, that would be great.
yeah i still do some nail biting, have all my life, terrible habit, i tried putting on clear coat polish to stop myself but that became a chore.
an yes i forgot too that this tribe has always helped out, support groups are good sometimes :)
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 5:57 PMHey, Muse.
I don't think that what you said about the added piece of being African American was at all off-topic; it isn't off YOUR topic, and it gives the rest of us a new perspective that we'd probably never thought about.
I think I can imagine a bit of what you were talking about, about the lack of acceptance of admitting anxiety in the black community. For one thing, wirhin the greater community, there are still a lot of Baptist roots, aren't there, which are somehow expected to be carried on by the women. Anf then you get the other side of it, where, if you got problems, you just hide them behind a bad attitude and being street savvy. I really hadn't thought about how entrenched some roles are in the African American community. Much more so than in the "white" world, huh? I'll have to put some thought into that. Me, I'm just a dumb white girl; but my beautiful teenage son is mixed race. Not black, but that seems to be the culture that most draws him. I think it's partly the music; hip-hop is all over the real pain of life and prejudice. And he does go into the "street wise" attitude thing. Something for me to think about.
Okay, so now THAT was off-topic, but you've given me a lot to think about.
So, I've thus far managed to skirt actually having to say anything about myself--just possibly without anyone noticing. Typical M.O. Keep the conversation on others, it's always safest that way.
Honestly, where I am with the anxiety and other demons in my life is simply allowing myself ro acknowledge and feel what is there. I spent my whole life, up until about 2 1/2 years ago, pouring all my energies into denial and redirection. Then, well, I went through something which proved to be the final straw on this back of mine, and I broke. Complete nervous breakdown. I'd been living on my nerve endings most of my life, in hyper vigilance or open fight-or-flight response. Finally, well, I think that my nervous system handed in its resignation. It just refuses to respond to most stimuli.
So, for me, simply learning to recognize and allow whatever demon tormenting me is a big thing, getting used to the feel of it, without denial. It's painful and depressing as hell, but it's where I am.
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 7:35 PMI tried clear polish to stop myself from biting too. And it didn't work for me either :[ I'm hoping that paying money for manicures will be a deterrent. I guess there are worse habits... Crack, glue-sniffing, fox hunting, etc...
It's true, Survivor, about learning to recognize.
You also bring up a good point there are very definite similarities, the taboos among evangelicals and within the black community too. And of course, we always hear about the folks who overcame their problems with faith. Even the President says he overcame his problems with faith even though many of us can see something of a dry alcoholic who just *thinks* he overcame his problems. Then comes that part where folks say to the rest of us, "If I can do it, so can you." It's an arrogance of sorts when a bit of compassion is so much more helpful. So I like very much how Chris posed the question here. "What helps you?" We all vary in the foods we can tolerate, our triggers of any sort, and other situations we're dealing with such as chronic pain, other disorders, or even the difference between those who take meds and those who don't. If there is support from faith, that's great. But it isn't the do-everything magic pill for everyone, no more so than there is a magic anxiety pill that works for everyone.
"Me, I'm just a dumb white girl;" Gee Survivor. I can't say I've seen any evidence of this whatsoever. I had an undiagnosed learning disability growing up, so I might just borrow that phrase next time I screw up if you don't mind. :D Meanwhile I like to say, "Me, I'm just a tall buxom blonde and a famous supermodel." It's a great response to folks who say, "If I can do it, so can you!" [: LOL :D ]:
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:37 AMThanks for the words of support, Muse. Um ... blonde?! You ARE Afrucan American, aren't you? So that is like the ultimate sarcastic response, huh? As for me being "just a dumb white girl," it is a phrase I have used all of my son's life. I know that there are depths I can't understand in either his or his father's experiences of life. Being the only "white" member of my family somehow made me feel apologetic for not "getting it." Of course, I've gotten it fairly well by now. I think maybe I felt that I was somehow letting my son down--flesh of my flesh--and yet a minority, which adds all sorts of facets to hos life which I was unaware of before I married his father.
Things that I do find helpful with my anxiety: Deep breathing, exercise, eating healthy stiff and avoiding the jink, jist as both of you said. And knowing what I can or can't tolerate at a given time, and being compassionate with myself about that. -
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 11:43 AMUmm, sorry for the typos. I don't touch type and most of the letters are worn off my keyboard. It's one way to force me to learn to touch type! But, in the meantime, I don't always remember to go back and check for typos. -
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 1:58 PMhehe no prob, i wish i could fix the typo in the subject header lol.
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 4:19 PMI was just trying for a bit of humor there Survivor. Sorry. Guess that bounced, haha :] Yes, I am African American. Both of my parents were heavily involved in the civil rights movement, so as a result I was often placed in situations where I was the first black or the only black. I am both the first and the only in my present job of 7 years; and in part because of suspicion of yogic roots in Buddhism and Hinduism I am often the only black in my yoga classes too. [Ironically, both a Buddhist and a Hindu inspired Martin Luther King Jr.] Growing up being the first and the only made it difficult to be part of any particular community. It looked good to the adults, but to a kid, my emotional needs went unmet. I couldn't afford to make mistakes and I had to figure things out the first time. I have no concept sponteneity [speaking of typos, I can't even spell it ;]
By the way, Survivor, you were spot on. Baptist [as well as Pentecostal] roots run very deep and black women do attend church more than black men. And true that if a black woman has problems, she is viewed as having a bad attitude or street savvy or angry. But outside the context of skin color, those are also symptoms closely related to anxiety. A bad attitude = inability to cope, a shutting down. Street savvy = playing a role to protect one's self. Angry = too much adrenaline + depression. I am not the type of person who yells or screams. This has caused some strange moments at work among coworkers who think if they antagonize me enough, I will "act black" and give them a reason to fire me or put me down. So "not" dealing with racism is a strange anxiety all it's own.
In any case, I didn't mean to get on too much a tangent. I really want to hear other ideas for what helps others in the anxious life... But thank you for listening and understanding
And, Survivor, your son is very handsome. If there is anything good about a parent having anxiety, it is that she instantly empathizes and understands her child on a deep level. What others may see as hypervigilance also makes you a very intuitive parent who can raise your son emotionally through real hardships. For what it's worth, hip hop isn't a hardship. It's just an expression. I think he will come through this hip-hop stage just fine :]
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:10 PMWow, Muse, what a great, long post!! Who cares what the topic started out as (but thanks for posting it Chris, because it's been really helpful.) It seems now to have morphed into a post on the difficulties inherent in being a minority. (Which, oddly, I have experienced personally within my own family, and at Japanese festivals. ) I think that everyone who is of the majority in their setting should experience being a minority. It sure opens up your mind to the realities of things that you never took seriously before.
Thank you, thank you for all the wonderful things you said about my son and my insightfulness in raising him. I think that you're right. But, I think you misunderstood my meaning about his draw toward hip-hop. Having been raised mostly without his Japanese father in the home, he isn't like the other half-Asian kids, with their filial loyalty, high academic expectations, etc. The things that make them "tick" make no sense to him. He can't imagine making his decisions based on other people's expectations. As you probably noticed from his picture, he looks very racially ambiguous, and isn't claimed by any group. Well, except that people of almost all ethnic groups (except black!) think he's one of them and will come up and talk to him in whatever language. What I meant about hip-hop, actually, is that it is the one place he has found a sense of belonging. He doesn't listen to the "stupid" artists. He listens to a lot of underground stuff, and artists who really have something worth saying in their lyrics. Yeah, most of them have a lot of anger against being TREATED as minorities, but, hey, so does he.
Anyway, great conversation; thanks! Chris, I hope you don't feel that this should have been taken to a PM. I always think that it's good to have a chance to see other viewpoints and to learn from them, so I kept this here. Who knows who else might come along and connect with what's written here?
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 5:11 PMThanks for the compliment. I'm glad you told me after I popped in that this was a rather quiet place. I'm usually not the one to go Chatty Cathy until someone else starts the conversation.
I think I killed this thread. Oops. I didn't expect to do that... [The sound of crickets chirping....]
[Tap. Tap. Tap. Hey is this thing on?]
Survivor, I'd say your son belongs to the human race. And he will come to find as many minorities do that race is a human construct meant to only create differences. Funny no one ever says, "That's a brown cat, and that's a white cat. They have absolutely nothing in common."
I do have a goal I want to achieve and I think that once I do, it will help me in overcoming anxiety.
For what it's worth, we all have our histories. It hasn't been easy. But there comes that time when we realize what our parents did or didn't do doesn't really matter. I am trying to learn to "personalize" my story and take responsibility for my solutions.
Very simply, I want to live in the present.
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:48 PMheheh glad you guys are having fun even if my thread is derailed :)
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Mon, December 31, 2007 - 2:08 PM[Back on topic. Must. Save. Thread.] :D
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Tue, January 1, 2008 - 1:54 AMheheh thanks. Yes a good doc really does help, mine looks like Einstein and he is very good, doesn't just try to prescribe pills and send me off :) -
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Tue, January 1, 2008 - 11:17 AMSorry, Chris; the derail was mine. Having a professional to talk to does help. Personally, at least for where I am with it all right now, meds are my lifesavers. That is probably a literal statement. I forgot to take my morning meds a few days ago and didn't realize it till mid-afternoon. Wow, was I one scary wacko! But, yeah, often our brain chemistry is off so much that it really does help to have it artificially balanced for us while we get things sorted out.
Another thing that helps: my dog. She is someone to love who will never stop loving me back with open gratitude. That's something we all need, isn't it? -
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Tue, January 1, 2008 - 12:54 PMfor sure, wow I have become so used to my dog that id didn't mention him. My anxiety went way down once he was in my life, he is a love fountain and a damn good security guard too :)
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 9:18 AMyes i second the klonopin vote
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 10:02 PMYeah, Klonopin and a few others are what keep me sane...Or maybe they only keep me seeming to be sane? But, yeah; and I'd have to add Seroquel, side effects and all. -
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 10:36 AMI am trying to get away from alcohol but some good red wine like a nice pinot noir or zinfandel will put a shine on your mind in some cases ... good if you have high cholesterol or if that runs in your family genes too ...
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 12:05 PMsurviver, if he hasn't found these artists yet you miite want to point out the artists "saul williams" and "sage francis" to him, bothe art very poetic insitfull social comentary poetry based rapers with a minimum of gratuitus violence or vulgar sexuality , however bothe maintain a notworthy amout of artistic integrity. :) i've got a bunch of ther albums if you want me to send you a coppy.
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 12:33 PMi forgot to menchin music, i got an ii pod as a gift from my ex fiancay witch i then kept out of spite after we broke up, and before that i had an mp3 cd player from sony (worst piece of garbage ever) and music has helped me in several senses , the ovius one has been listening to budhist lectures on tape and copys of budhist religius texts on tape , but also listening to more severe ruckus angrey and flagrantly boystrus music has helped, punk bands like anti-flag , nofx , rancid , at the drive in , left over crack , and the dresden dolls helped me learn to be a little more confident and willing to say "fuck the world, i'm me and if you don't like it then fuck off. i was abused beaten beat down and put upon, and it's left me scared. SO WHAT OF IT?! " my brothers recomended i listen to mac dre but thats a little to gangster for me.
you would be astonished how efective the self programing of huming empowering song lirics to your self can be.
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 12:38 PMsurviver : "the derail was mine"
rails are overrated.
if you stick to the marked trails you're just walking along the trails wer everyone has already been and piced or trampled the wild flowers, if you want to find the things that are truly rare and usualy unseen , then you just have to go wer the moment takes you. -
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Fri, January 4, 2008 - 5:21 PMThank you, my friend, for the"derail" post. (I just figured out who you are with the new avatar, even though you're on my friends list!) I think I agree with you, but this was not my thread to change topic on in mid-stream. Perhaps I could have started a new post about the angst of growing up ethnically ambiguous, feeling that there is no mirror for you anywhere in society. I just know how many people that is true for these days, or even for minority groups, with the layers of problems in interfacing in the "white" world. But, yeah, I should have made a separate thread.
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:41 PMCorrection (and my last derail here--really!) My son was horrified that I had said he listens to gangster rap. He said, "That stuff is junk, Mom, it's nothing but foul-mouthed showing off." So, I wanted to ammend that. He does really like Tupac--as a person as much as as an artist. That was what made me (mistakenly) believe that he listened to other gangster rap. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:54 PMNo problem! I think it's great that your son is aware of the music and messages he listens to. Very good for him and the mom who raised him :]
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Fri, January 4, 2008 - 5:09 PMThanks, Star! And thanks for caring. I've never heard my son mention either of the two artists you named, so I'll ask him about them.
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 6:53 PMKlonopin is my #1 nip-it-in-the-bud resource, and it works just fine once it kicks in. I just have to remind myself to take it prior to potential anxiety-causing situations. I can recall a few situations where I did take it beforehand and I was very grateful to myself (if that's possible?) I had done so. :) -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:30 AMyeah K - sometimes I just get so wound up (anxiety) that I forget to take it or just dont ...
prevention is key ...
an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ...
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 7:12 PMI think thought processes have a lot to do with it for myself. It's like the basis for CBT--knowing that our thoughts are what ultimately trigger the anxiety, depression, etc. can help us to head them off at the pass. For myself I forget to take the meds when I'm so focused on what's upsetting or concerning me at the moment (and often focusing too much on what's 'wrong' with myself and how I need to fix it, a useless activity ultimately), it's hard to step back and remind myself that I'm in essence causing my own physical reaction to whatever the issue at hand is. Once I do, the meds work wonders as far as realizing my thoughts were basically not helping and just causing me to just go in circles.
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 3:37 PMthis is all very interesting as well as helpful.
i grew up in israel, and when i moved to the states i was put in the "jewish drawer"; i wasn't a minority growing up, and being jewish was not an issue at all. i mostly do not find anything in common with american jews, for the difference in self identification (the minority thing is an all together different animal to me; it's not on the rational level, but the psyche and habitual level, that i am not a minority) and even political views and thinking habits. yet, i have to deal with the jewish stigma, both with jews and non-jews, without having the training
for it, lol. also, dealing with such a highly religious society, that america is, is quite uneasy for me, coming from a mainly secular one.
i am, after many years, still so overwhelmed by this new paradigm, as well as the whole american cultural one, that i withdraw and build a wall around my existence (quite literaly too; i live in a walled-in graveyard), where i feel safe living as the outsider that i am; getting out of
this bubble of mine is usually very stressful.
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 4:55 PMn - i'm not a jew and still I feel this way
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 5:13 PMyou know that what you've just poted struck a cord with peaple when all the responses start with "i" and then a description of ther vertion of the same predicument.
i come from a prety weird family, eclectic third and fourth generation imigrants (italian and irish-oaky)
with native american , hippy, buhdist , comunist , and anarcist influences, and from around 8 till around 14 i and most of my family wer devout mormons (i'm now a lapsed/inactive member of the church)
so i often feel the same as you described and often find my self using the frase (in my culture we don't realy do things that way) even thow i was born and raised in primarily in white/hispanicblack suberbs in the east bay , and am to all apearences "just some white guy".
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